In this episode, David Gill (M.Div, Covenant Seminary, 2015) talks to me about life on Side B, white evangelicalism, Wesley Hill's book Washed and Waiting, the Revoice conferences, and the problems and benefits associated with celibate gay Christianity. I frame the episode with some discussion about what exactly Side B is, and throughout the episode ask David to help me understand my initial reactions to common Side B talking points.